if you say, should we cut social security and medicare or shift medicare costs to seniors, they will say, decidedly, no. it's a lot like the minimum wage debate. and democrats and progressives have to be making these debates, making these issues -- putting these issues in front of people and really making the case. not to play on their field, continued budget cut, continue undercutting medicare, continue these low-wage kinds of jobs. let's figure this out and really look at the broad middle class and people who aspire to it. >> senator sherrod brown, democrat of ohio, it's always great to have you here. >> good to be back. >> thank you very much. nice to see you. all right, we'll be right back. her busy saturday begins with back pain, when... hey pam, you should take advil. why? you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? you're joking right? for my back pain, i want my aleve. >>> this summer after a jury in florida found george zimmerman not guilty in the death of teenager trayvon martin, there was a big outspoken nationwid